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Post by neal1975 on Nov 3, 2010 16:15:32 GMT -5
Have you guys noticed this ?
The Fats parking lot, and the trailhead, and the trails (especially the trails) are trash free, but all the spots where the hunters park their trucks on the side of the road on woodlawn are littered with trash. beer cans, beer boxes, fast food wrappers etc.
maybe its just a random coincidence though -
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Post by neal1975 on Nov 2, 2010 23:31:47 GMT -5
Does anyone have a map to this? im very curious to see where this new route runs.
Im itchin for a new trail too
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Post by neal1975 on Nov 2, 2010 23:27:49 GMT -5
Its ok Bartram, we still love you -
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 22:00:07 GMT -5
;D sounds personal !
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 18:22:45 GMT -5
just kiddin
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 18:22:09 GMT -5
Doug, my arguments against hunting were not aimed at you, it was towards the stereotype in general. It may not be fair to you, ive met you and you seemed like a completely legit and responsible person and a trustworthy person, but ive met lots of hunters that arent. I am sure there are plenty of responsible and ethical sportsman. But theres lots of complete idiots out there that go out and shoot bottles of a tree stump while they polish off a 12 pack of PBR. Alot of them just simply want to . . . shoot something. I dont like the feeling of riding through the woods and being looked at through a rifle scope. I dont think the sarcasm about the railroad tracks and horses helped your argument, but i did get a laugh out of it. Ok, thats all im going to say about this. Lets end it. Hunting is gay. Bike riding is cool. That is all- The invite to go hunting with me wasn't a joke, the offer stands. Deer Jerky packs up real nice in a camelbak. ;D you dont have a banjo do you?
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 16:40:12 GMT -5
it seems that it was an accident. But, after reading the comments - you can really get a sense of how inconsiderate each side is for the other. Both sides feel that they are being inconvenienced and put in danger. The funny thing is - the CAR DRIVERS actually feel endangered by the bikers - because they have to swerve or stop suddenly - boo f-ing hoo - you have to put on the brakes? ! Your inside of a metal cage, think about the bicyclist-
I am actually suprised you dont hear about this kind of thing more often - riding a bike down the side of the road is just a bad idea. Where do u ride then? I dont know. . . . hmmm..
IN THE WOODS SUCKAS !
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 16:33:32 GMT -5
Thats him. Thats the guy i was talking about earlier. I dont know him personally, but overheard about this at the watercooler one day at my office.
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 16:18:55 GMT -5
The cycling community is on edge right now due to the recent events and newspaper articles that include "opinions" of cyclists and non-cyclist alike. do u have a link or source for this?
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 21, 2010 16:10:15 GMT -5
I dont think its the two weeks closure that bothers me - its that you have potentially very dangerous / fatal consequences lurking in the woods while you are just trying to enjoy a bike ride. I rode recently and heard 4-5 gun shots not far off. It bothered me. These two hobbies shouldnt co-exist in the same space. I have a negative opinion of hunters because - you take the gun out of their hands, and 9 times out of 10 their just a dumb hick in a pickup truck with nothing else to add to the world - nothing to add or give back to nature, theyre just there to shoot something, for sport. Im out there to enjoy and feel closer to nature and try to appreciate it, and some ahole is out there hiding in a tree with my head in his crosshairs - so yeh, i dont like that. Personally i think the tiny parcel of land that encompasses the fats trails should be . . . wait for it. . . just for bike riding. And the hunting can be anywhere else in the 100,000 nearby acres where people arent trying to ride in peace and safety. Neal, I think you will find that mountain biking can and does co-exist with a lot of sports. Heck, LCHT must not only be one of the best rides in the forest, but also the most dangerous. Not only are the trails open during deer season, but we also have to share the trails with horses! Man, I could get shot and trampled by a horse all at the same time. I almost forgot about the train crossing. Heck, it's right there where the motorcycle trail crosses the road. I could get trampled by a horse, hit by a car, run over by an ATV, and shot by a deer hunter all at that one spot. In reality Neal, deer hunters are one of the safest user groups in the woods. Most deer hunters are ethical, responsible people that are well aware of the dangers of their sport and take every precaution to not only protect themselves, but also others that are in the woods with them. How would I know? For starters, I've spent more time in the woods with a rifle in my hand these past two weeks than I have with a bike between my legs. I hunt in the area near Parson's Mountain. Yep, that's right smack in the middle of LCHT. Over the pst couple of weeks, I've seen three gray foxes, countless squirrels, six pileated woodpeckers, two red foxes, one snake, and ten deer. I have managed to bag one doe. That was this past Saturday, which was an either sex day. Out of all those animals, the only one to end up in my crosshairs were the deer. They were identified to be deer before I scoped them, and when I saw that they were not legal (no antlers), then my sights were lowered. The one shot that I fired Saturday was fired in a safe direction away from any trails, roads, houses and all other known people or hunters. So why did I just tell you all of that? Because I don't consider what I did to be anything extraordinary. I am the typical, ethical, responsible everyday hunter. I am not the exception to the rule. If I were, and hunters were who you say that they are, there's no way in hell I would drive a two lane country road during deer season, much less head off into the woods with either a rifle or a bike. Also, you state that hunters have "nothing to add or give back to nature". Ever hear of Ducks Unlimited? Or NWTF (National Wild Turkey Federation)? They are leaders in the conservation and preservation of wildlife. I would guess that 99% of their members are hunters. That's just a couple off the top of my head. Do some research, I think you would find that the majority of programs to save and conserve wildlife and it's habitat comes from the efforts of hunters and hunting organizations. So Neal, besides me, how many hunters have you actually met? Tell ya what, how about you come up to Greenwood and go hunting with me. Bring the bike. We could hunt in the morning, then hit LCHT for a ride while all of the "dumb hicks" are at Hardee's eating lunch. Doug, my arguments against hunting were not aimed at you, it was towards the stereotype in general. It may not be fair to you, ive met you and you seemed like a completely legit and responsible person and a trustworthy person, but ive met lots of hunters that arent. I am sure there are plenty of responsible and ethical sportsman. But theres lots of complete idiots out there that go out and shoot bottles of a tree stump while they polish off a 12 pack of PBR. Alot of them just simply want to . . . shoot something. I dont like the feeling of riding through the woods and being looked at through a rifle scope. I dont think the sarcasm about the railroad tracks and horses helped your argument, but i did get a laugh out of it. Ok, thats all im going to say about this. Lets end it. Hunting is gay. Bike riding is cool. That is all-
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 20, 2010 22:13:03 GMT -5
riding on the road is an entirely different subject, dont get me started.
its a lot more dangerous than people realize. one of the doctors at the hospital i work at was riding recently and was hit by a car really bad.
he is still in a coma.
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 20, 2010 21:31:03 GMT -5
I dont think its the two weeks closure that bothers me - its that you have potentially very dangerous / fatal consequences lurking in the woods while you are just trying to enjoy a bike ride. I rode recently and heard 4-5 gun shots not far off. It bothered me. These two hobbies shouldnt co-exist in the same space. I have a negative opinion of hunters because - you take the gun out of their hands, and 9 times out of 10 their just a dumb hick in a pickup truck with nothing else to add to the world - nothing to add or give back to nature, theyre just there to shoot something, for sport. Im out there to enjoy and feel closer to nature and try to appreciate it, and some ahole is out there hiding in a tree with my head in his crosshairs - so yeh, i dont like that.
Personally i think the tiny parcel of land that encompasses the fats trails should be . . . wait for it. . . just for bike riding. And the hunting can be anywhere else in the 100,000 nearby acres where people arent trying to ride in peace and safety.
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 20, 2010 0:21:42 GMT -5
MOD - if you had to censor my post because of a criticism, and one that was made in jest, then thats pretty weak.
Is this forum too sensitive to hear the criticism of a member? Personally i think its absurd that they have to close down 40 miles of biking trails so a bunch of redneck idiots can sit motionless in tree stands and shoot deer. Theres thousands of acres of hunting land in GA and SC, why do they have to close down the biking trails for that? Are the trails closed to hunters when the bikers are on them?
Does anyone else find it a little dissapointing that the one spot within a 100 mile radius that is the centerpiece for the mountain biking has to close down for 2 weeks to appease the hunting crowd - F THAT! (mod you dont have to censor it, i did it for you)
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 19, 2010 17:34:38 GMT -5
Doesnt it just suck?
Its the perfect time of year to ride, the weather is perfect, cool and crisp in the evening - you wait all year long, you grind your way through the 95 deg. summer ...............modification of post by moderator
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 13, 2010 16:32:17 GMT -5
if they go through with the numbering - dont make it too "distracting", make it very subtle so you would only see if your looking for it. It would be very irritating and take away from the natural beauty of the woods to have to see a big number every few seconds
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 11, 2010 12:20:07 GMT -5
i probably just missed the scene yesterday, i was out around 2-3 but rode great wall only.
I had a thought while riding that might really help with locating riders. Why dont they put mile markers on the trails? 1, 2, 3, 4, etc... Or it doesnt even have to be for miles, they could just put sequential numbers every 1/4 - 1/2 mile - then someone could update the fats maps with the markers and the rescue people would have a MUCH better idea of where the rider is, (that is if the rider knows what marker hes at etc)
Also the rescue teams need to have a better understanding of the trails and the fireroads- i dont know if they have good maps for this or not-
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Post by neal1975 on Oct 2, 2010 20:36:13 GMT -5
i rode today. met some great folks from charleston, if you guys are reading YOU ROCK, i had a blast riding with ya. Come back again soon- People, wear your orange out there, hunting just opened. I saw about 20 riders today and myself and only 1 other rider had orange on. I saw 4 hunters today- The trails and weather was MINT condition perfect today, it was heaven out there. If you didnt ride today you missed it out boys. That is all
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Post by neal1975 on Sept 29, 2010 15:42:32 GMT -5
people actually run up and down these trails !?? I have a hard enough time riding a bike on them. If you can run up and down these hills then your a beast
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Post by neal1975 on Sept 29, 2010 15:41:20 GMT -5
I rode yesterday, from 530 to 7. took a lap on skinny and deep step. it was really nice out, nice and cool. the trail was a little damp, but very rideable. Just a few small puddles here and there, very rideable.
I rode past the crash site on deep step, there was still a blood stain there!
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Post by neal1975 on Sept 21, 2010 19:46:10 GMT -5
yeh i was the guy (in grey and black) who pushed his bike out for a little ways until the 4 wheeler dudes came.
I havent been called skinny in quite a while, i think you might have me mixed up with someone else LOL
I dont think the wheel came off causing the crash- i think he was traveling at high speed and lost control , possibly hitting that tree that he was leaned up next to. He hit his front fork so hard it was cracked in half and bent sideways.
Either way, if your coming down a hill like that and your front wheel comes off for any reason, your in serious trouble and going to be eating a dirt sandwich.
I was really glad to see the guy make it out of the woods and seemed conscious but with a way busted up face. hopefully hes ok-
I did not see him with a helmet.
Wear a helmet for christ sake everyone, thats the LEAST you can do-
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