Post by seenvic on Dec 12, 2006 13:10:10 GMT -5
Any of you remember the first time you went out to the "old school" trails? These would be Modoc (Stevens Creek), Horn Creek (Lick Fork), Wine Creek and Turkey Creek. What the hell, lets throw Keg Creek in there as well.
I am curious when anyone first rode them. I've always heard late eighties....I found them when I moved here in 1991. I'd love to hear from some of the old schoolers that found those trails back in the day. What do you remember about them? How did you get permission to ride them? Or did you even worry w/ permission?
Did anyone of you help build the Canal singletrack? When was that? Who was with you?
I can fill in the history of the "new school trails"....Baker Creek, Hickory Knob, FATS, Bartram Trail. I'll do that in another post.
Here is what I know about the 4 old school USFS trails. Alot of this is from memory of conversations w/ Wes Prince who moved away 10 years ago and Bruce Norris who passed away earlier this year.
1965...LBJ told the USFS to build trails all over the country. I've seen the original memo from the local USFS. I think I was 18 days old when it was typed.
1972...The local district plans 3 trails. One is called Stevens Creek and it is to be one linear trail from Hwy 23 to Hwy 283. It is to cross Stevens Creek & Turkey Creek w/ a set of bridges. One is called Horn Creek and it is at Lick Fork. And the third one is called Forks and it was to be at what is now in the area of FATS.
The first and second trails above were built, and the third (Forks) never was. The first one didn't turn out as planned. The bridges across the creeks were never built and thus we ended up w/ what we now see as three seperate trails...Modoc, Turkey Creek and Wine Creek. The Stevens/Turkey/Wine Trails were designed by a young forest service employee named Randall Phillips....and Randall is still employed on this district (he's getting up there in age and is a great guy.) They were handbuilt by a group of youngsters in a program called the Youth Conservation Corp. Next time you ride Modoc, you can see where the YCC got off Randall's line and started building the trail steeper. It's about 2-3 miles in from Hwy 23 - all contour trail til then. Then the lines get much steeper. Randall told me that the YCC got tired of cutting all that contour bench and tooks shortcuts closer to the fall line.
On Wine Creek, all those bridges were built w/ materials hauled in on the backs of mules.
Horn Creek at Lick Fork was started, but not finshed by Randall. For those that remember the way HC used to be, it was alot steeper in places than the Stevens Creek trio of trails. I asked Randall one day about this as it obvious to me that HC wasn't nearly as sustainable as the other trails. And Randall told me he got assigned to do it, started it, then got called to another task and someone else completed Horn Creek.
As far as bikes go, Joel Gardiner (District Ranger in late 80's and early 90's), simply opened these trails to bikes. The only trail Joel didn't open to bikes was the short Lick Fork Trail (hiking only trail around the lake).
Back during this time, what is now the Long Cane Ranger District was two seperate districts. All the above trails were in Joel's district (Edgefield District) and the Parsons Mtn area was in the Long Cane District. The Long Cane was run by a guy named John Cathie. John Cathie opened the Long Cane Horse Trail and the two motorcycle trails to bikes, but not the Parsons Mtn Hiking Trail that goes around the lake up there. Sometime in the early 90's the two districts merged and Joel Gardiner was put in charge.
The next thing of significance on these trails was around 1996. The top dog in the state for the USFS (Supervising Officer) made Stevens, Turkey, Wine and Horn Creek off limits to horses. We got really lucky there. I don't think this was something that anyone pushed. it just happened. Probably because of all the bridges and the USFS didn't want the horses going around all of them. But that is pure speculation.
That's a smattering of what I can recall and have time to type.
You got anything to add?
Jimmy Culpeper...step up to the mic, please.
I am curious when anyone first rode them. I've always heard late eighties....I found them when I moved here in 1991. I'd love to hear from some of the old schoolers that found those trails back in the day. What do you remember about them? How did you get permission to ride them? Or did you even worry w/ permission?
Did anyone of you help build the Canal singletrack? When was that? Who was with you?
I can fill in the history of the "new school trails"....Baker Creek, Hickory Knob, FATS, Bartram Trail. I'll do that in another post.
Here is what I know about the 4 old school USFS trails. Alot of this is from memory of conversations w/ Wes Prince who moved away 10 years ago and Bruce Norris who passed away earlier this year.
1965...LBJ told the USFS to build trails all over the country. I've seen the original memo from the local USFS. I think I was 18 days old when it was typed.
1972...The local district plans 3 trails. One is called Stevens Creek and it is to be one linear trail from Hwy 23 to Hwy 283. It is to cross Stevens Creek & Turkey Creek w/ a set of bridges. One is called Horn Creek and it is at Lick Fork. And the third one is called Forks and it was to be at what is now in the area of FATS.
The first and second trails above were built, and the third (Forks) never was. The first one didn't turn out as planned. The bridges across the creeks were never built and thus we ended up w/ what we now see as three seperate trails...Modoc, Turkey Creek and Wine Creek. The Stevens/Turkey/Wine Trails were designed by a young forest service employee named Randall Phillips....and Randall is still employed on this district (he's getting up there in age and is a great guy.) They were handbuilt by a group of youngsters in a program called the Youth Conservation Corp. Next time you ride Modoc, you can see where the YCC got off Randall's line and started building the trail steeper. It's about 2-3 miles in from Hwy 23 - all contour trail til then. Then the lines get much steeper. Randall told me that the YCC got tired of cutting all that contour bench and tooks shortcuts closer to the fall line.
On Wine Creek, all those bridges were built w/ materials hauled in on the backs of mules.
Horn Creek at Lick Fork was started, but not finshed by Randall. For those that remember the way HC used to be, it was alot steeper in places than the Stevens Creek trio of trails. I asked Randall one day about this as it obvious to me that HC wasn't nearly as sustainable as the other trails. And Randall told me he got assigned to do it, started it, then got called to another task and someone else completed Horn Creek.
As far as bikes go, Joel Gardiner (District Ranger in late 80's and early 90's), simply opened these trails to bikes. The only trail Joel didn't open to bikes was the short Lick Fork Trail (hiking only trail around the lake).
Back during this time, what is now the Long Cane Ranger District was two seperate districts. All the above trails were in Joel's district (Edgefield District) and the Parsons Mtn area was in the Long Cane District. The Long Cane was run by a guy named John Cathie. John Cathie opened the Long Cane Horse Trail and the two motorcycle trails to bikes, but not the Parsons Mtn Hiking Trail that goes around the lake up there. Sometime in the early 90's the two districts merged and Joel Gardiner was put in charge.
The next thing of significance on these trails was around 1996. The top dog in the state for the USFS (Supervising Officer) made Stevens, Turkey, Wine and Horn Creek off limits to horses. We got really lucky there. I don't think this was something that anyone pushed. it just happened. Probably because of all the bridges and the USFS didn't want the horses going around all of them. But that is pure speculation.
That's a smattering of what I can recall and have time to type.
You got anything to add?
Jimmy Culpeper...step up to the mic, please.