Bakers Dozen at Hickory Knob ?

[oddcouple]

I just wanted to say that i think we need to still consider Hickory Knob as an option for the 2008 Bakers Dozen.I myself can't come up with one reason not to but many reasons to.

1.We will not have to worry about traffic in and out of the middle of the race.
2.We do not have to cross any roads and worry about getting hit buy a car.
3.We will have a big transition area that has power and lights.
4.We have access to a large barn for food and restrooms.
5.Nobody will have to fight for camp sites.
6.There is available lodging and restaurant.

[seenvic]

Gotta get State Parks to allow night riding in an official event. They've never allowed this before. But management has changed in some high ranking positions.

If we are going to move the BD, why not to the original location of Baker Creek? The course would be much tougher and the lap times more like an hour vs the 35-40 minutes they will be on the HKSP Lake Loop.

The Bakers Dozen name originated from the event being held a Baker Creek SP. We couldn't get permission for the night riding from State Parks, so we moved it to Lick Fork.

I like Lick Fork. But I am not opposed to moving it.

[oddcouple]

Talk about riding roots ,Baker Creek has more than Lick Fork.

I think there are to many road crossing at Baker Creek to have a race there.IMHO!

[Homer]

How is a 35-40 min loop at HK any different than a 35-40 min loop at Lick Fork? I agree with the odd couple that BKSP has too many road crossings and roots. The only negative I could see from a racing perspective is you don't see your partner come by so you can get ready.

I think the State Park service might be swayed. I have ridden at night at Paris Mountain and Croft which are both state parks. The MTB community petitioned the Park Service to be able to ride at Paris Mountain and it didn't hurt that Ty the Ranger is an avid cyclist. I think there were 96 people who showed up at the meeting to talk about it.

[seenvic]

Who compared a lap a Lick Fork to a lap at HKSP? The 35-40 minute laps at Lick Fork is one of the downsides to that location, IMHO.

Good point on the roads at BCSP.

Night riding is allowed at both HKSP and BCSP....just not for a sanctioned event. This is what the parks folks must agree to. And with the changes in the top mgt...they just might.

[oddcouple]

The ranger that came to one of our meetings said he would see if we could race at night.I think all he needs to know if we want to hold the race at HKSP?

I think that Lick Fork has been a good venue but it has safety issues.

1.We are always worried about riders having a head on collision thats why all the cones and stay to the right,I heard that some riders still cut the corners.

2.We had the crazy rednecks in the truck come through the race one year playing Dukes of Hazard lucky no one got hurt.

[type1troy]

I think a longer route would be great! Baker Creek would be a good venue for the length. Road crossings could be a problem but that would be the only places you'd most likely need course marshals.

You guys cannot honestly be serious about the root factor can you? Road bikes may be your answer if you can't handle them or a good 4 inch travel XC mtn. bike!

Unfortunately the redneck factor is just about anywhere you go these days. but what is wrong with 'Dukes of Hazard'?

[seenvic]

type1troy said:

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You guys cannot honestly be serious about the root factor can you? Road bikes may be your answer if you can't handle them or a good 4 inch travel XC mtn. bike!

Classic

[Angela]

It never hurts to ask - re having the event at Baker Creek or HKSP - just gives us more options in the event they say yes. I worked awfully hard that year with lots of telephone calls and letters to get them to say yes to having the event at Baker's Creek. Yes upper management might have changed but Todd Rexrode really went to the mat for us at that time in supporting what we were trying to do and he couldn't sway them.

It seemed to be more of a lack of knowledge than anything else. They had the impression we were going to string the equivalent of little white twinklie lights along the entire trail so folks could ride it. They actually did finally give permission but at dark we would have only been allowed to circle the paved parking lot for the last three hours of the race - talk about a serious hazzard

[Angela]

Come on........ lighten up, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no need to lash out!


The visual.......... while unnecessary in this application........... is very cool!

[JIMMYC]

Redneck!?!? huh? somebody call me.

[oddcouple]

Posted by JIMMYC on Today at 10:03am
Redneck!?!? huh? somebody call me.

Bet you mine is REDDER then yours!!!!!!