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Post by dgaddis1 on Feb 23, 2009 10:46:12 GMT -5
Landing on sticks/stumps sucks. This happened to me from falling over while trying to get clipped in. I landed in a pile of sticks, one was upright and poked me. This guys injury sounds like it's about 100x's worse than mine   |
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Post by Timothyjames on Feb 23, 2009 10:56:38 GMT -5
Landing on sticks/stumps sucks. This happened to me from falling over while trying to get clipped in. I landed in a pile of sticks, one was upright and poked me. This guys injury sounds like it's about 100x's worse than mine so this is why i'm supposed to shave me legs! Although by recognition I did see you once last spring/summer come hobbling in off the road to your car with some serious road rash once. I think it was right around the time tower/big rock opened up. Most of my scars are from coming unclipped as well...chainring to the calf, spd-pedal against the shin..etc I did pick up a great 2incher from sliding off the path on skinny one day. My thigh shows it proudly! I get asked about the scars pretty frequently and strangely a look of awe falls over their face when I say I was mtn. biking. |
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Post by dgaddis1 on Feb 23, 2009 11:16:58 GMT -5
Although by recognition I did see you once last spring/summer come hobbling in off the road to your car with some serious road rash once. I think it was right around the time tower/big rock opened up. Yeah I remember that day  It was right after I had healed from the pic above. I was on Deep Step, went across the 2nd road crossing, and on a downhill very slight bend to the right the bike just went out from under me. Turns out my front tire was loosing air pressure and it rolled over in the turn. I was pissed. |
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Post by ebsuku on Feb 23, 2009 12:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by dgaddis1 on Feb 23, 2009 12:36:04 GMT -5
AAAHHHH!!!  Mine twas but a scratch...I didn't leave DNA evidence behind. Tell your bud we're praying for him, I don't think I even want to see the injury itself. |
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Post by nitro on Feb 23, 2009 12:42:07 GMT -5
Thanks. I was just wondering if there are any lessons to be learned (other than, ride with a buddy if you can). Just curious if speed was a factor, pedal strike, endo, landed jump incorrectly, etc?
I agree with Dustin. After seeing what the stump looked like, I know I don't want to see pics of his leg!
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Post by DK on Feb 23, 2009 13:07:02 GMT -5
Yep, I agree, the stump pic is an eye opener for sure. I don't think a pic of the injury is needed. My thoughts and prayers are with the injured rider.
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 23, 2009 13:19:45 GMT -5
that'll keep you in the middle of the trail...
I haven't had any significant injuries other than a couple of bruises from clipping in and out
However, a couple of weeks ago I hurt my pride pretty hard. Riding into the FATS parking lot after smokin my buddies I was riding with all day and I pull up behind the car to talk some trash and I do the whole slow tip over thing in the gravel. There was a big group of guys standing in the parking lot when it happened.
Anyone know if he plans to ride again or is he calling it quits?
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Post by brianW on Feb 23, 2009 19:37:30 GMT -5
Would like to know how you helped him, what you would do different (if it happened again) And possible what the local EMS could do better.
When I was an EMT, I always helped me to look back at touggh calls, or hear others tough calls, and learn from them.
Also this is the second incident in the last few months. Do the local EMS/Fire/Police know the trails and short cuts? Do they have maps with them?
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 23, 2009 21:06:27 GMT -5
It always makes me think that if I have better safety equipment I might not get as hurt as bad if something bad happens... but I know thats not the truth. You don't have to spend 200 clams on a good helmet, a 60 dollar giro does the same job. What type of protection do ya'll bring with you? Other than the standard helmet all I have is a wrist brace as a precaution from previous incidents. I keep a ton of bike stuff in the back of the car, I have the bell helmet and a full face sixsixone (complete with camera) for freerides and the days when I'm feeling like a bad ass.
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Post by Mark Y on Feb 25, 2009 0:33:11 GMT -5
Landing on sticks/stumps sucks. This happened to me from falling over while trying to get clipped in. I landed in a pile of sticks, one was upright and poked me. This guys injury sounds like it's about 100x's worse than mine so this is why i'm supposed to shave me legs! Although by recognition I did see you once last spring/summer come hobbling in off the road to your car with some serious road rash once. I think it was right around the time tower/big rock opened up. Most of my scars are from coming unclipped as well...chainring to the calf, spd-pedal against the shin..etc I did pick up a great 2incher from sliding off the path on skinny one day. My thigh shows it proudly! I get asked about the scars pretty frequently and strangely a look of awe falls over their face when I say I was mtn. biking. When I walk in my wife always asks "Well, what did you skin up this time?" My legs constantly look like I've run through a briar patch; if it isn't a spd "fish scaler" to the back of a calf, it is a limb that pops up to gouge the crap out of the front. We won't even talk about the scars and scrapes from spills I've taken... |
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Post by dgaddis1 on Feb 25, 2009 11:38:35 GMT -5
I don't go down too often...I'm pretty good at knowing when enough is enough. Most of my falls are low speed trying to ride something technical. So far **knock on wood** I've only went down once at speed at FATS, and that was when the front tire went flat and I didn't know it. I do always go home with lots of little scratches here and there from branches and whatnot, but they usually heal in about a day. And if I get into a sticky situation where lets of body english is used to ride away I'll often find the inside of my knees bruised up from bangin' the top tube. The worst crash I've had was riding at walking pace in a parking lot when the front wheel came off. I landed on my face, cracked two teeth, and one (or maybe 2) teeth punctured thru my lower lip and out the other side. I had some road rash on the palms of my hands and on my knees too, but the lip was the main injury. Worst part of all, it cost my $900 to get one stitch in the lip. If I'd had known it would cost that much I would have just told my fiance to to sew it up for me. She's a nurse...she could probably do it. |
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Post by Mark Y on Feb 25, 2009 12:42:57 GMT -5
Yea, my spills are all low speed, and typically are a result of not being able to get unclipped by the time it is obvious I will have to. (not to mention I started out with some Crank Bro's pedals that are not adjustable for release tension) My worst damage was done when I hit a switchback on the canal trail and caught a root. After a semi-sideways endo I wound up with a nasty scrape on the shin, a hole poked in my side from a stick I landed on, my handlebars twisted 45 degrees out, and my shoes still clipped to the pedals 5 feet away from where I landed. That was one of those times like a snow skiing yard sale. You just lie there for a few seconds taking stock to make sure nothing is broken; and cursing yourself for screwing up.
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Post by Timothyjames on Feb 25, 2009 14:20:53 GMT -5
I used to say its not a good ride till you are bleeding... All of last fall I never had any problems though!! My first trip back to FATS will be this Saturday so we'll see how I do after riding all 6 trails. I predict a few bruises and maybe one scratch...of course the trail always likes to throw the gratuitous high speed banking front tire blow out before a jump at me. Those never end pretty
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Post by ebsuku on Feb 28, 2009 17:20:47 GMT -5
Would like to know how you helped him, what you would do different (if it happened again) And possible what the local EMS could do better. When I was an EMT, I always helped me to look back at touggh calls, or hear others tough calls, and learn from them. Also this is the second incident in the last few months. Do the local EMS/Fire/Police know the trails and short cuts? Do they have maps with them? - Tank top pressed into the wound with a long sleeve tied around it. Kept the bleeding (thankfully very little for the size of the wound) at bay.
- Know where the access/hardball/gravel roads are. Thankfully the other guy that was there had an awesome sense for that. Ran right up the hill and there it was. I keep a copy of the trail map on my phone.
- Have the rangers number as he could probably help start or coordinate rescue efforts if needed.(has to be notified by EMS anyhow if they are on ground)
- Get educated on basic first aid, bandaging, splinting, transporting, controlling bleeding, treating shock.... Theres so much you can learn in those classes, always good life skills to have.
Before I knew the road was there I was snapping branches for a splint while on the phone with 911. The thought of having to try and transport him back up the trail with just two of us was pretty unnerving. |
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Post by dgaddis1 on Feb 28, 2009 23:31:10 GMT -5
Would like to know how you helped him, what you would do different (if it happened again) And possible what the local EMS could do better. When I was an EMT, I always helped me to look back at touggh calls, or hear others tough calls, and learn from them. Also this is the second incident in the last few months. Do the local EMS/Fire/Police know the trails and short cuts? Do they have maps with them? - Tank top pressed into the wound with a long sleeve tied around it. Kept the bleeding (thankfully very little for the size of the wound) at bay.
- Know where the access/hardball/gravel roads are. Thankfully the other guy that was there had an awesome sense for that. Ran right up the hill and there it was. I keep a copy of the trail map on my phone.
- Have the rangers number as he could probably help start or coordinate rescue efforts if needed.(has to be notified by EMS anyhow if they are on ground)
- Get educated on basic first aid, bandaging, splinting, transporting, controlling bleeding, treating shock.... Theres so much you can learn in those classes, always good life skills to have.
Before I knew the road was there I was snapping branches for a splint while on the phone with 911. The thought of having to try and transport him back up the trail with just two of us was pretty unnerving. Hearing the story about the Blood Stump is what pushed me over the edge to join the National MTN Bike Patrol. When it was first brought up at the meetings I thought "well, I already help people every chance I get, no need to join something to do that" But, getting some training in how to handle situations like this sounds like a damn good idea. Like you said, it's a good life skills. I'd hate to roll up on someone right after an accident and be worthless. |
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Post by firefighter1 on Dec 20, 2011 10:00:37 GMT -5
In walking the fats trail system, for the purpose of educating fire/rescue and EMS personnel as to challenges that they may encounter in performing a rescue, I notice how many near misses occur. The speeds that can be achieved can sometimes be better seen by tire marks that go straight on a curve exit where the tires are skidding 30' or more narrowly missing trees, drop-offs, etc. I have spoken to many folks who have been hurt with broken bones, probable concussions, strains, sprains and lots of abrasions and a couple of punctures. Mountain bicyclist are inherently a hardy bunch and seem to pull themselves out with a limp. I am curious just how many persons are getting seriously injured who never call on the emergency services due to their self reliant nature. My inquiries began last February in order to better understand the type of calls and patient care that would be needed in the design of the long range medical rescue wagon that is used for the Skinny Trail by Merriwether Fire Department and Edgefield County EMS. I was amazed at how common and how severe injuries are. Broken collar bones seem to be one of the more common ones that might get a call to EMS, along with knee caps, shins and heat related emergencies. I am personally appreciative of all the input that mountain bikers have given me. That information and the well founded concerns which were expressed, have been addressed. The different vehicles allow coverage of all 34 miles of trails for the purpose of medical, search and rescue. The various rescue trailers can be seen at www.carfirerescue.com I welcome continued input, and for the information of this equipment to be passed throughout the mountain biking community, and to the responding agencies who might have to rely on 10 mile haul outs with backboards, which can be a grueling task for rescuers and patients under the best of conditions. So you will want to wear a helmet, some, bright clothing (not white or gray), carry a cell phone, know the color designation or name of the trail, be able to tell 911 dispatchers the direction you went on the trail (clockwise or counter clockwise), and how far in you are, carry water, a small finger sized flashlight (Streamlight Microstream or equivalent), travel with someone, or at the very least tell some one your route plans and expected time of return. I think it would be great if for those people who are riding alone (not on a joint night run) at night, to have a place to put a card stating their expected time back to the trail head parking, and their vehicle tag number. The reason is that sometimes a single vehicle will be in the trail head parking lot at 8:00 at night. Is this a day rider who is injured without a cell phone or unconscious on the trail, or just someone getting back well after dark? Any thoughts? Thanks again for the help in making rescues faster, better, more comfortable, and safer on the FATS. Shane Emmons, www.carfirerescue.com, member of Merriwether Fire Department |
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Post by seenvic on Dec 20, 2011 10:11:12 GMT -5
Paragraphs are your friend.
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Post by dsquaredmsquared on Dec 20, 2011 11:05:51 GMT -5
...information of this equipment to be passed throughout the mountain biking community... Paid sponsorship/advertising on mtbr.com will give you national and international exposure to the mountain bike community. It might be cool to have your website on a sorbacsra biking jersey.  |
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Post by dgaddis1 on Dec 20, 2011 11:14:33 GMT -5
...information of this equipment to be passed throughout the mountain biking community... Paid sponsorship/advertising on mtbr.com will give you national and international exposure to the mountain bike community. I might be able to help with that some as well...I'll be in touch. |
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It was right after I had healed from the pic above. I was on Deep Step, went across the 2nd road crossing, and on a downhill very slight bend to the right the bike just went out from under me. Turns out my front tire was loosing air pressure and it rolled over in the turn. I was pissed.
