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Post by dgaddis1 on Aug 18, 2011 19:11:37 GMT -5
This still works even with out the old school connector?? Yep. All those miles are using the current connector.
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Post by seenvic on Aug 19, 2011 9:14:41 GMT -5
Potential SMC route.
38.7 miles singletrack 15.4 miles gravel. 7.9 miles paved.
This assumes we can use Old School Connector parts that are on USFS lands. We would need to rake n ride a .35 mile trail to get us from USFS lands to Mt Leb Church Rd. I would think this is something the USFS would agree to, but maybe not.
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Post by dgaddis1 on Aug 19, 2011 10:15:41 GMT -5
How do the #'s change if we use the current connector?
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Post by seenvic on Aug 19, 2011 10:28:09 GMT -5
How do the #'s change if we use the current connector? If we only changed the connector route to the one most folks know (if they know one). Singletrack 37 miles Gravel 9.75 miles Paved 13.1 miles Total is 59.85 miles
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Post by dgaddis1 on Aug 19, 2011 11:02:04 GMT -5
That's still pretty good. Over 50% singletrack.
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Post by seenvic on Aug 19, 2011 11:13:03 GMT -5
A big difference in old and new connector.....
the "gravel" roads on the old connector are unique. They are unmaintained and ride like an old trail more so than a FS gravel rd. They ride hardly at all like a well maintained FS gravel rd. Right now they could use one pass of the DR mower and I swear people will think it is singletrack. It is like "no track" right now....covered in greenery from edge to edge about 40% of it.
I can say that the old connector isn't like you are riding on a FS gravel road at all. It is way different. Better. More primitive feeling in both actual tread and location. It feels more back country.
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Post by wooglin on Aug 19, 2011 11:22:27 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why getting to Mt Leb Ch Rd is so difficult. According to this map, 696 runs right into it. Also, the slivers of "private property" along roads are likely right-of-way or, in the case of 619, map error. They may not be FS property, but we can certainly cross without issues. Here's the same area, expanded to show the current connector in the south, on 2006 air photos. I see lots of roads, even if they're not official roads.
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Post by seenvic on Aug 19, 2011 11:33:06 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but I think FS 696 ends at the private property and does not continue out to the powerlines.
That said, I have ridden across that private property to Mt Leb Ch Rd via 696 countless times, but not in the last 12ish years. I've been turning right and going down to the larger private property section in the corner. I know that landowner and he has given me permission to ride it. I am not comfortable asking him for permission to run an event thru his land....just yet (and may never be).
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Post by wooglin on Aug 19, 2011 12:17:43 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but I think FS 696 ends at the private property and does not continue out to the powerlines. That said, I have ridden across that private property to Mt Leb Ch Rd via 696 countless times, but not in the last 12ish years. I've been turning right and going down to the larger private property section in the corner. I know that landowner and he has given me permission to ride it. I am not comfortable asking him for permission to run an event thru his land....just yet (and may never be). What's wrong with either of these routes, which follow roads that are visible on the 2006 air photos and are presumably still out there, and that does not cross private property? The only gap is 100 meters from where the route stops on 696 after coming off Mt Leb Ch Rd to the north, and picks up again on old road to the southeast. Both routes end on the other power line (the one to the east) that we currently use to access Modoc.
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Post by seenvic on Aug 19, 2011 13:13:39 GMT -5
That is my plan right now. To connect the powerline in USFS property to the FS Rd 696.
Good to know it is only 100 yards or so.
Should be a no brainer.
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Post by DK on Aug 19, 2011 13:44:11 GMT -5
What's wrong with either of these routes, which follow roads that are visible on the 2006 air photos and are presumably still out there, and that does not cross private property? The only gap is 100 meters from where the route stops on 696 after coming off Mt Leb Ch Rd to the north, and picks up again on old road to the southeast. Both routes end on the other power line (the one to the east) that we currently use to access Modoc. Looking at Google Maps, it looks like that gap at 696 maybe connects. Take a look at what I marked in yellow here: maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=216463981361598190729.0004aadfc17fb16ea0c34&msa=0 According to Google Earth, the imagery is from 4/18/2010, so that should be a fairly accurate view. EDIT: Also, if you think it could be useful, if you guys want to use this Google map that I started as a tool for marking the route, I can add you as a collaborator to give you access to the ability to edit it.
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Post by nevin on Aug 22, 2011 19:23:37 GMT -5
Seenvic- do you know this private landowner well enough to approach him with the idea of a one day right of way, purchased for the club by a donor? Add a specific hold harmless clause for the owner in the waiver, put a couple of hundred dollars in his pocket for letting 30-40 riders cross his land. I know a donor.
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Post by seenvic on Aug 23, 2011 8:01:09 GMT -5
Seenvic- do you know this private landowner well enough to approach him with the idea of a one day right of way, purchased for the club by a donor? Add a specific hold harmless clause for the owner in the waiver, put a couple of hundred dollars in his pocket for letting 30-40 riders cross his land. I know a donor. I'd be for getting the USFS to allow us to put a few hundred yards of trail on their property. I doubt I'd ask landowner for permission to put an event on his property. As soon as you start paying for land use to a private land owner, the liability laws are completely different. But the main gist of my response is I don't want to ask for permission to use private property for an event. For casual rides.....I do it often. When do you want to go?
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Post by Mark Y on Aug 30, 2011 16:53:40 GMT -5
As far as staging, you might get by with it from Parksville. There is a nice pavilion on the lakeshore that could be used as a base for registration and cooking. The rub is limited parking, but there is the old store a couple of hundred yards away that could handle some cars. Maybe the current owner would agree to let it be used or accept a fee.
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Post by wooglin on Aug 30, 2011 17:32:12 GMT -5
I'd be for getting the USFS to allow us to put a few hundred yards of trail on their property. Trail? Who needs a stinking trail? Just put a sign with an arrow that says "go that way 100 yards or so, and when you hit a road, go right".
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Post by Ted S. on Mar 31, 2013 13:01:52 GMT -5
Yesterday Mark, Nevin and I rode a possible SMC course that does not include lick fork. Start end of turkey creek FS 617a(A race may want to start at the beginning of 617a to let the field spread out on the gravel some) TURKEY CREEK WINE CREEK Right on 283 Right on to turkey rd (FS 621 I think) Right on key rd Left on Cedar springs(FS 618) Left onto fire break/FS 619 that will bring ya out at the first bridge on turkey ride turkey back to FS 617a (even the slowest of slow riders will be off turkey by now.) 617a to 617 out to prices mill to mt Lebanon church rd ride the power lines route. (ACTUAL RACE DAY DUE TO PRIVATE PROPERTY, ride a little rake and ride to get on the other side of the red gate on the power lines. Power line route to Modoc) MODOC trail 23 to 28 Washington school rd 2 ideas from here First -down FS 632a to the end of MODOC run the field back down the power line(two way traffic on the double track) back to Mt lebanon to prices mill 617 to 617a back down turkey again( by the time the leaders have ridden all the way out to Modoc and back the rest of the field will be off of turkey) turn left before the last bridge ride 619/fire break back, cross coon creek up FS 619 left FS 617 and right on FS 617a to finish. OR avoid the two way traffic on the power line route and stay on Washington school rd. and ride pavel all the way back turkey.etc etc (THIS IS WHAT WE RODE YESTERDAY AND IS MAPPED) We did not ride the last trip down Turkey and around to 619(we were toasted after 50+ miles) but I loaded my garmin info into a course map and plotted out the last little bit and came up with 60 miles. My garmin generally comes up short on mileage,, guessing more like 64 or 65 miles. I Think it would make a nice course. The riders would pass by the start finish line 2x before finishing, great for the spectators, see the start then twice during the race and the finish. ride turkey creek 3x: twice toward key bridge once coming back. Way less pavement, more single track, adds unique power-line/ fs rd's not usually seen by most.The "powerline route" is rugged rides like single track. SEE THE MAPThe garmin did not map each pass of turkey exactly on top of the other.
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